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In the afterward to Max in the Land of Lies, Adam Gidwitz mentioned Melita Maschmann’s Account Rendered: A Dossier of My Former Self as one of the most important sources for the book, and also a book that he would urge everyone to read. Of course I had to try it, especially given that Gidwitz’s Melita Maschmann is one of the most likable characters in Max in the Land of Lies, for all that she is a true believer Nazi who, moreover, gets only very limited pagetime.

Now I realize some people may object to the idea of a likeable Nazi true believer, but I believe in order to understand evil one of the things we have to let go of is the belief that there’s any clear relationship between likability and goodness. If you will excuse a digression into quadrant theory, likability and goodness are two separate axes, and most of us are happiest with the “likable and good” quadrant and the “unlikable and bad” quadrant. Neither of these create cognitive dissonance. We want the people whom we like to be good and the people we hate to be bad.

But “unlikable and good” and “likable and bad” can both be a torment. You know that you should like so-and-so, because they’re so useful and helpful and have all the right opinions, but really you would climb out a window rather than spend an hour alone with them because they just grate on you. Or, you like so-and-so a lot, because they’re so funny and charming, and when other people say they’ve done bad things it’s probably lies, or jealousy, or a failure to understand the complexity of their character, or… oh God what if they are bad. You like them so much and they’re bad?? What does that say about you??? NO the accusations of badness are LIES.

(Or else, you insist that you never really liked them THAT much, like my friend with the Harry Potter tattoo who insists she was never THAT into Harry Potter.)

So: Melita Maschmann, likable Nazi true believer, who very slowly after the war began to look back on her former self and say, “What the fuck was I thinking?” This book, written in the form of a letter to her former best friend, a Jewish girl who had to flee Germany, is Maschmann’s attempt to figure out what, in fact, she was thinking.

The idea of the book as a letter is sometimes slightly alarming (can you imagine handing someone a book-length manuscript and saying “This is why I was a world-historically bad friend”?), but as a literary device it’s useful, because it gives Maschmann an imaginary interlocutor to pull her up short whenever she reaches a particularly “But didn’t this make you rethink your choices?” moment. Kristallnacht? The starving Poles when you were first posted to Poland? The time the local German army didn’t have enough troops to evict the Poles from their village to make way for German settlers, so you had to help? Maybe the time that you drove a truck around stealing furniture from the local Poles to give it to a German family that had settled in one of these newly emptied villages?

This last in particular was not merely wrong but also illegal even at the time, but rather oddly it’s also the only one that Maschmann didn’t have a single qualm about when she did it. The rest of these events did give her pause, but at the end of the day there’s a vast gulf between being taken aback and actually rethinking the ideology that has shaped your entire life.

Maschmann turned to National Socialism because she was an idealist who loved the idea of the National Community that cuts across classes and binds everyone together and fixes the poverty and shame that have crippled her country since the Great War. It was a way of rebelling against her parents that nonetheless embraced many of their beliefs: not only the sense that democracy had failed, but also the belief that violent competition among countries is inevitable, so although you might flinch from things you saw while invading Poland, if you didn’t invade Poland then Poland would assuredly invade you.

By this point you, my imaginary interlocutor, may well be asking, “But what part of this is likable, you monster?” Well, part of it is the fact that Maschmann had the strength of character to look back afterward and try to make sense of what she had done. This is something that most human beings seem to find almost impossible even when there aren’t war crimes involved.

Her account is clear-eyed, both in the sense of sheer observation - there’s tons of interesting detail here about life on the ground during the invasion of Poland, for instance - and in the sense that she’s trying to look at these events squarely, to explain without justifying, to say “this is what we were thinking” and hope that this might help turn other people aside if they find themselves straying into a similar path.

But even in Maschmann’s younger self, there are many appealing qualities. She was an indefatigable worker with a yearning to help people, an idealist who latched onto absolutely the wrong ideal. If she had latched onto a different ideal –

Well, the twentieth century was not short on ideals that led to mass destruction, so if Maschmann chose a different ideal, she might have been just as destructive in a different direction. Why do I find something so appealing about idealists, when ideology is used to create and justify so much suffering?

Date: 2025-09-11 05:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] magid
This sounds like a pretty interesting read I’d not heard of. Thanks!

Date: 2025-09-11 06:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ivy
Thanks for this review... I also had never heard of this book, and it's pertinent to my current reading interests. :/ Kinda like some of my feelings about "Hotel Lux"... young idealists were trying! Just... what they got isn't what they thought they were going to get, it went off the rails and they kinda only saw that it was betraying their ideals when their friends started to be targeted and the atmosphere of fear set in.

Date: 2025-09-22 09:33 pm (UTC)
ivy: Two strands of ivy against a red wall (Default)
From: [personal profile] ivy
I have it from the library and I'm reading it now. Thanks/yikes for the rec, heh.

Date: 2025-09-11 06:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] philomytha
This sounds incredibly fascinating, I must read it at once. I am currently reading Frank Trentmann's Out of the Darkness which is sort of a similar thing but on the national level, a history of how Germany (both Germanies) after 1945 slowly looked back at itself and went 'what were we thinking, how can we fix it, and how do we not do that again?'

Date: 2025-09-11 07:26 pm (UTC)
philomytha: airplane flying over romantic castle (Default)
From: [personal profile] philomytha
I've encountered snippets in history books from diaries, letters etc from true Nazi believers, but not entire books.

Date: 2025-09-11 06:56 pm (UTC)
asakiyume: (Dunhuang Buddha)
From: [personal profile] asakiyume
Why do I find something so appealing about idealists, when ideology is used to create and justify so much suffering?

You know, I'm very drawn to *ideals*, but I'm not very drawn to *idealists*. I think because I always wilt in the face of their commitment, because I can't keep up. The possible exception is when they are idealists for ideals that I myself embrace, but even then, there's the problem of liking unicorns the wrong way. (I think I've told you this one right? "You like unicorns? I do too! ... Oh no, you like cutesy unicorns ... Oh no no, all-wrong, all-wrong.") And that's basically the inverse of what makes me nervous around idealists: that they're looking at *me* and seeing that *I'm* the one who's liking unicorns in the wrong way. (Actually, that's a little different from not having enough commitment and not being able to keep up, but I think they connect.)



Date: 2025-09-11 07:52 pm (UTC)
sovay: (I Claudius)
From: [personal profile] sovay
Why do I find something so appealing about idealists, when ideology is used to create and justify so much suffering?

I find that a really interesting sentence because I do not consider "idealist" and "ideologue" interchangeable.

Date: 2025-09-11 09:14 pm (UTC)
asakiyume: (miroku)
From: [personal profile] asakiyume
I'm coming to your comment and Osprey Archer's reply at the same time, so her answer to your comment is affecting my thoughts, but:

I hadn't been considering ideologues when I read the sentence, though your comment and Osprey Archer's reply make me see the relevance (I mean clearly they're relevant! I just hadn't been thinking in that direction).

And I can back away from my initial remark in this sense: there are lots of people I know, maybe most people, who have ideals and are committed to them and don't like bad compromises. They don't make me nervous at all. It's only a handful, maybe even just one or two, who seem really do or die, like no compromises EVER. (Although even them, maybe some compromises? I mean, we're talking about real people who know reality, so.) </small)

Date: 2025-09-12 06:52 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] anna_wing
It's a spectrum where the slide along it is exceptionally easy.

Date: 2025-09-11 07:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] msilverstar
Sounds really interesting and worth reading, thanks.

Date: 2025-09-11 07:45 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Viktor & Mordecai)
From: [personal profile] sovay
This book, written in the form of a letter to her former best friend, a Jewish girl who had to flee Germany, is Maschmann’s attempt to figure out what, in fact, she was thinking.

(a) I am glad she turned out to be the kind of person who cared enough even to wonder.

(b) Do we have any idea what her former best friend thought of the book?

(c) I am inevitably going to give another plug for None Shall Escape (1944) if it comes to a film festival near you.

Date: 2025-09-11 08:57 pm (UTC)
asakiyume: (miroku)
From: [personal profile] asakiyume
Oh wow, thanks so much for this. This whole thing--the story of the two women, the position of Marianne's family, and the story of Marianne's reaction, all of it feel like something some part of me has always wanted to know without knowing it.

So thanks very much for sharing.

Date: 2025-09-11 10:16 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Viktor & Mordecai)
From: [personal profile] sovay
Yes! There's a New Yorker article (here), published around the time the English translation was republished in 2013, which focuses on Melita's friend and what she thought of the book.

I'm so glad she was alive to be asked about it! Her side of the story not lost.
Edited Date: 2025-09-12 12:25 am (UTC)

Date: 2025-09-12 02:45 am (UTC)
genarti: Knees-down view of woman on tiptoe next to bookshelves (Default)
From: [personal profile] genarti
Oh wow, that's fascinating! I'd never heard of this book, but I'm glad it exists, I think, and certainly glad to have have read Marianne's perspective on it also.

Date: 2025-09-12 04:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rachelmanija
Wow! Great article.

It seems vanishingly rare for a person to admit that they sincerely held beliefs that they now think are morally wrong.

Date: 2025-09-13 06:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] luzula
A Swedish magazine I read once had an issue dedicated to interviews with people who had changed their beliefs, and it was fascinating. I remember there was, among others:
- a Nazi who became a socialist
- a neoliberal who became a Jesuit
- someone who had gone between being a Muslim who believed in interfaith collaboration, an atheist, and an Islamist, though I don't remember in which order. I remember he said something along the lines of "yeah, I understand if nobody takes me seriously anymore!".

Date: 2025-09-12 12:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] troisoiseaux
This sounds fascinating.

Date: 2025-09-13 03:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] skygiants
One of the things I thought was most striking about Max 2 was how clearly it's part of Gidwitz's project to separate out good and likeable, and show at all times the uncomfortable humanity of people engaged in evil projects. At some point I definitely will read this one.

Date: 2025-09-13 03:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lokifan
like my friend with the Harry Potter tattoo who insists she was never THAT into Harry Potter.)

Yeppp. And the number of times I see fandom people being like "JKR is actively paying for much of the anti-trans movement in the UK - and also, Harry Potter was never that good! It's derivative and annoying!" I mean, have your opinion, and God knows I spent enough time in the fandom to see the books' flaws dissected ad nauseum - but like, so what? The second part has nothing to do with the first!

And on the more serious end, I have an acquaintance who was good friends with Neil Gaiman for decades, and she's struggled enormously with the accusations (but not doubted them at all, from what I can tell, even though she had no idea beforehand. Now that's intellectual honesty.)

So: Melita Maschmann, likable Nazi true believer, who very slowly after the war began to look back on her former self and say, “What the fuck was I thinking?” This book, written in the form of a letter to her former best friend, a Jewish girl who had to flee Germany, is Maschmann’s attempt to figure out what, in fact, she was thinking.

Oh wow, fascinating. And yeah, respect for an attempt at looking at what she/they did and why.

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