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If I had read Ursula K. Le Guin’s Very Far Away From Anywhere Else as a teenager, which I believe would have blown the top off my head. It’s not magical or SFnal, but a slim contemporary novel, YA before the Twilightification of YA.

In his senior year of high school, budding scientist Owen meets his classmate Natalie, a serious musician with aspirations to become a composer, and for the first time in their lives the two of them find someone they can talk to—but really talk to, about the real things that deeply matter to them, truth and art and thinking and feeling and life. “We decided that it was no good asking what is the meaning of life, because life isn’t the answer, life is the question, and you, yourself, are the answer.”

It’s like Madeleine L’Engle’s A Ring of Endless Light, not so much in the content – although A Ring of Endless Light is also about very much about art and science and the relationship between both those things and the creative urge, so perhaps to a certain extent in content too. But both books are shaped by their main characters’ struggle with ideas, are about teenagers grappling with the big questions, in a way that real teenagers often do but that books for teenagers often don’t.

I thought it chickened out a bit at the end, though. There’s a big section in the middle where Owen muses for a while about how we’re all engineered by “movies and books and advertising and all the various sexual engineers, whether they’re scientists or salesman,” to think that “Man Plus Woman Equals Sex,” then explains that he nearly ruined things by deciding he was in love with Natalie: “I hadn’t fallen in love with her, please notice that I didn’t say that; I had decided that I was in love with her.”

And this ends up almost destroying their relationship. They return to the beach where they had a wonderful day earlier, only this time Owen kisses Natalie, and Natalie rejects him. “If what we have isn’t enough, then forget it. Because it’s all we do have. And you know it! And it’s a lot! But if it’s not enough, then let it be. Forget it!”

And then they are Torn Asunder for months. Only then Owen sees an advertisement for a concert where a few of Natalie’s compositions will be performed for the first time. Of course he has to go—and they meet up afterward—and it turns out that they are, in fact, in love.

Well, okay. That sorts of pulls the rug out from under this whole critique of the sexual engineers, but sure.

But maybe the point is that all that sexual engineering forced Owen to jump immediately to the conclusion that This Must Be Love, and therefore try to bend their relationship into the shape that movies and books and advertising call Love, and in doing so almost break it? Whereas they might not have been torn asunder if he hadn’t tried to force its growth, but let it develop naturally.

Honestly, mixed feelings. Thematically, I think this ending was a mistake, because it undercuts the middle, and in particular that powerful beach scene. But also, they are so in love. Do I really want them torn asunder permanently for mere thematic reasons?

Date: 2024-10-27 02:24 pm (UTC)
asakiyume: (feathers on the line)
From: [personal profile] asakiyume
“We decided that it was no good asking what is the meaning of life, because life isn’t the answer, life is the question, and you, yourself, are the answer.”

That's really beautiful--I got a lump in my throat reading it.

And yeah: it takes a whole lot to go against the message that the pinnacle of human experience is falling in love--that that's the ultimate in human connection--and to then back down and say, " Yeah, but just in case, my friends, please note that they ARE in love" seems very -_-

Date: 2024-10-27 05:04 pm (UTC)
asakiyume: (turnip lantern)
From: [personal profile] asakiyume
Agreed re: not **actually** sure what it means, but you're right: it is very believable as something some bright teens would come up with, and, as I say, somehow moving even if it might not make sense

Date: 2024-10-27 05:09 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Did Le Guin chicken out? Did the publisher throw a fit? Did the power of the love story simply prove too strong to buck?

I really doubt any of those things. It's kind of similar to Shevek and Takver in The Dispossessed -- the woman is very unsure of a relationship and tests the man, who has to meet her standards, and Le Guin's self-declared big theme was "marriage" -- union, trust, fidelity, maturity, in her vision. Owen has to live up to those things, and change himself to be worthy of her. I found that pretty radical as a girl in the early eighties; certainly there were very few books offering that, and especially Natalie's devotion to her music and future career. Le Guin was still in her Jungian phase and you can see Owen deliberately turning her into his anima figure when he decides to project conventional Western romance onto their friendship. Natalie tells him a couple makes the big decisions together, and he didn't do that.

Date: 2024-10-27 03:29 pm (UTC)
troisoiseaux: (Default)
From: [personal profile] troisoiseaux
Ah, the age-old problem of commenting on genre conventions while still being very much of That Genre. (I tend to encounter this more in terms of detective novels in which the characters insist that This Is Real Life, Not A Detective Novel!)

Do I really want them torn asunder permanently for mere thematic reasons?

Maybe a more thematically satisfying ending would have had a longer arc of reconnecting --> friendship --> eventually, years later, starting a romantic relationship after they'd both grown into themselves as adults, but that... seems like it would be an entirely different story.

Sounds like this was a good book overall, though!
Edited Date: 2024-10-27 03:30 pm (UTC)

Date: 2024-10-27 04:59 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Maybe a more thematically satisfying ending would have had a longer arc of reconnecting --> friendship --> eventually, years later, starting a romantic relationship after they'd both grown into themselves as adults

It seems like the book speedruns that -- they're separated at the end of the book, but Natalie hints at a temporal reunion while Owen refers back to their shared artistic fantasy. As a kid I really wasn't sure if they would reconnect or not.

Date: 2024-10-27 05:15 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
They've admitted/realized they're in love, but she's going to Tanglewood to follow her musical ambitions and he's going to MIT to follow his scientific ones so they're going to be separated and who knows if they'll ever reunite

I thought it was really not certain when I was very young and read the book shortly after it first came out (I read whatever Le Guin I could get my hands on then, which wasn't really that much). They're not what society would have called romantically involved then, at the end of the book.

Date: 2024-10-27 05:51 pm (UTC)
troisoiseaux: (Default)
From: [personal profile] troisoiseaux
They've admitted/realized they're in love, but she's going to Tanglewood to follow her musical ambitions and he's going to MIT to follow his scientific ones so they're going to be separated and who knows if they'll ever reunite...

Oh, nice! I accidentally guessed the ending after all.

Date: 2024-10-27 06:03 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
Erk, sorry to spoil you!

Date: 2024-10-27 06:41 pm (UTC)
troisoiseaux: (Default)
From: [personal profile] troisoiseaux
No worries!

Date: 2024-10-27 05:30 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
(It's wonderfully written and has one of the best last lines I've ever read, in terms of thematic structure.)

Date: 2024-10-27 04:56 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
I read that book when I was a teenager, and lost count of the times I reread it up into my twenties. It's an interesting companion to The Beginning Place, a fantasy novel that also has a very independent heroine but goes for a HEA romance ending you can see coming for the entire book.

Date: 2024-10-27 05:28 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
That's Le Guin's arguably most famous YA work after the Earthsea trilogy, yeah. It came out in 1980 and I read it at around the same time as this book. It's partly a tribute to and takedown of high fantasy, it also has a very angry independent heroine and George Orr-esque hero, and it's all about the sexual cliches and gendered violence Natalie and Owen escape. The chapters from the heroine's POV are amazing and it's got one of Le Guin's best openings. It's kind of very late seventies and All About Sex. It was famous at the time for being reviewed by John Updike in the New Yorker (they didn't start publishing her stories till much later), and he criticized the sex scene.

Date: 2024-10-27 06:23 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
His verdict was quote Flannery O'Connors depiction in Wise Blood of a young man's first time was more convincing, close quote.

Date: 2024-10-27 11:01 pm (UTC)
landingtree: Small person examining bottlecap (Default)
From: [personal profile] landingtree
I read this as a teen and it did blow the top off my head! I read this and Jo Walton’s Among Others very close together, perhaps back-to-back, and I remember thinking that these were really good books about being young adults as be opposed to just having young characters, in a way I hadn’t really met and resonated with before.

Date: 2024-10-28 12:09 am (UTC)
landingtree: Small person examining bottlecap (Default)
From: [personal profile] landingtree
I read this as a teen and it did blow the top off my head! I read this and Jo Walton’s Among Others very close together, perhaps back-to-back, and I remember thinking that these were really good books about being young adults as be opposed to just having young characters, in a way I hadn’t really met and resonated with before.

Date: 2024-10-28 11:04 am (UTC)
littlerhymes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] littlerhymes
I did think the ending was going to go somewhere different. My friend read the blurb (this was before I'd read the book) and said "it sounds like he's going to come out." That seemed unlikely but not impossible!

I don't know if the ending undercuts the middle but it did feel like the more conventional ending. Perhaps I'm just too far distant from the period when it was published, and I have different expectations of YA as a genre now.

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