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Last summer, I read C. S. Lewis’s Letters to Malcolm: Chiefly on Prayer and took some notes, intending to turn them into a post. Then they languished for a year, and I no longer remember the book that went with them well enough to write a review post… but I still think these quotes are good material for thinking with, so I thought I’d share them here.

I am often, I believe, praying for others when I should be doing things for them. It’s so much easier to pray for a bore than go and see him. And the other is like unto it. Suppose I pray that you may be given grace to withstand your besetting sin (short list of candidates for this post will be forwarded on demand). Well, all the work has to be done by God and you. If I pray against my own besetting sin there will be work for me. One sometimes fights shy of admitting an act to be a sin for this very reason.

I think this is true not only of praying for others but talking about them (in a concerned way, not a mean gossip way) or thinking about them or feeling really bad for them. Often we expend energy doing that when what we ought to be doing is making them a pan of lasagna.

Many modern psychologists tell us always to distrust this vague feeling of guilt, as something purely pathological. And if they had stopped at that, I might believe them. But when they go on, as some do, to apply the same treatment to all guilt-feelings whatever, to suggest that one’s feeling about a particular unkind act or a particular insincerity is also and equally untrustworthy – I can’t help thinking they are talking nonsense. One sees this the moment one looks at other people. I have talked to some who felt guilt when they jolly well ought to have felt it; they have behaved like brutes and know it. I’ve also met others who felt guilty and weren’t guilty by any standard I can apply. And thirdly, I’ve met people who were guilty and didn’t seem to feel guilt. And isn’t this what we should expect? People can be malades imaginaires who are well and think they are ill; and others, especially consumptives, are ill and think they are well; and thirdly – far the largest class – people are ill and know they are ill. It would be very odd if there were any region in which all mistakes were in one direction.

And I think, sometimes, the same person can inhabit multiple categories at once: they can know they are guilty in some things but be blind to their guilt in others. Adolf Eichmann felt really guilty about the one time he slapped a Jewish functionary in the face, but he clearly didn’t comprehend his guilt in any larger sense.

That, by the way, explains the feebleness of all those watered versions of Christianity that leave out all the darker elements and try to establish a religion of pure consolation. No real belief in the watered versions can last. Bemused and besotted as we are, we still dimly know at heart that nothing which is at all times and in every way agreeable to us can have objective reality. It is the very nature of the real that it should have sharp corners and rough edges, that it should be resistant, should be itself. Dream furniture is the only kind on which you never stub your toes or bang your knee.

I feel that this explains the problem with a lot of self-help books, whether they are nominally Christian or not.

In fact we should never ask of anything “Is it real?,” for everything is real. The proper question is “A real what?,” e.g., a real snake or a real delirium tremens?

Date: 2018-09-10 11:35 am (UTC)
asakiyume: (miroku)
From: [personal profile] asakiyume
All of those are excellent. Boy I love the way CS Lewis thinks and writes. And I'm nodding hard at your reactions. Yep, those are my feelings too. The Eichmann example is a good one. Recognizing your flaw/guilt/whatever in one area doesn't guarantee by any means you'll see it in another, and being well in one area doesn't mean you're well in all areas, etc. (And the fact that you're wrong in one area doesn't mean you are in another, etc.)

And yes, too, to the fact that reality makes hard demands on us. (That's my recasting of the one about the watered versions of Christianity.)

That last one expresses its point in a way I'd never thought of, and I love it.

Date: 2018-09-11 02:52 am (UTC)
asakiyume: (black crow on a red ground)
From: [personal profile] asakiyume
Yeah, Eichmann in Jerusalem is a really, really good book. *In "World's Most Interesting Man" voice*: "I don't read much nonfiction about the Holocaust and evil, but when I do, it's by Hannah Arendt."

Date: 2018-09-11 02:53 am (UTC)
asakiyume: (feathers on the line)
From: [personal profile] asakiyume
(After reading this entry, I requested the book on inter-library loan. Which reminds me--I got your letter a couple of days ago)

Date: 2018-09-11 12:49 pm (UTC)
asakiyume: (miroku)
From: [personal profile] asakiyume
Letters to Malcolm--Eichmann in Jerusalem I've read.

Date: 2018-09-10 01:40 pm (UTC)
sartorias: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sartorias
Oh, good quotes. So very Lewisian.

Date: 2018-09-10 02:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kore
I am often, I believe, praying for others when I should be doing things for them. It’s so much easier to pray for a bore than go and see him.

Or post something like "thoughts and prayers" on Twitter!

Date: 2018-09-10 04:49 pm (UTC)
genarti: Knees-down view of woman on tiptoe next to bookshelves (Default)
From: [personal profile] genarti
Oh interesting! Wow, what excellent and thought-provoking quotes.

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