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When we first began to discuss Year of Sail, [personal profile] littlerhymes and I knew we wanted to give the Aubrey-Maturin series a try. But we approached it with some trepidation, as we have each separately attempted Aubrey-Maturin before and bombed out.

I don’t know the details of [personal profile] littlerhymes’ first attempt, but I first tried it in the early 2000s, when I was a young teenager, after I read [personal profile] sartorias’s post about the series. I struggled through chapter three, in which Stephen Maturin receives an incredibly technical tour of the ship’s* rigging, and then he and Jack Aubrey discuss the case of a seaman who is supposed to be court-martialed for committing sodomy on a goat (!). The combination defeated me utterly.

*The ship is not in fact a ship but actually a brig, another point that agonized my tiny teenage brain. “Aren’t they all boats?” I wailed, thus sending all seamen within hearing distance into a state of apoplexy.

I am happy to report that this time we made it past chapter three! Made it all the way to the end of the book, and indeed enjoyed it enough to plan to read the next one! I still have no idea what’s going on with the brig’s rigging or why there’s a type of boat called a snow, but as an older and wiser reader I simply drift past these technical details. Possibly over time it will all fall into place. By the end of Year of Sail I might be talking about topgallants with the best of them.

In the meantime, let me introduce our protagonists.

Jack Aubrey, master and commander of the brig Sophie, which is like being a captain but also, technically, not a captain. The anti-Hornblower. Where Hornblower is cool, logical, awkward, and good at math, Jack Aubrey is warm, loud, emotional, terrible at math, and actually also kind of awkward but in a way where he is almost always completely unaware of it. Witness the scene where he complains to Lieutenant Dillon that lots of new sailors of Irish Papists, remembers that Dillon is Irish and realizes with horror that Dillon might take this as an insult to the Irish, so tries to cover himself by doubling down on how much he hates Papists. JACK.

Stephen Maturin, who becomes the Sophie’s surgeon, even though technically he’s a physician which is WAY better than a surgeon. “We call this thing by a thing that is not its name” is a definite theme here. Part Irish, part Catalan, all naturalist. Loves birds, beasts, medicine, music, and Jack. “He’s so stupid (affectionate),” he explains to Lieutenant Dillon, whom he knew previously when they were both members of the United Irishmen, a non-revolutionary party that perhaps became revolutionary? I’m unclear about the details. Anyway, now quite a dangerous association to have in one’s past.

James Dillon, lieutenant of the Sophie. Not over Jack’s attempt to apologize for the Irish thing by emphasizing that it’s PAPISTS he has a problem with. All but accuses Jack of cowardice, which is almost as wrong-headed as accusing Stephen of not loving insects enough. Realizes Jack is not a coward, briefly likes Jack, then hates Jack again for reasons that are in fact unrelated to Jack.

Given the set-up with Jack Aubrey and James Dillon, I was comfortably expecting the book to end with a duel. But no! In the end, James Dillon dies a few chapters before the end, when the Sophies board and defeat a much larger ship! Always impressed when an author can blindside me with an unexpected development.

Queeney. A childhood friend of Jack’s who helps him get his appointment as captain of the Sophie. Not a protagonist, but I had to include her because I was so proud of recognizing her as a real life person: Hester Thrale’s eldest daughter! Evidence: Hester Thrale’s eldest daughter was called Queeney. Hester Thrale was a great friend of Samuel Johnson’s, and Queeney mentions the family friendship with Samuel Johnson. Jack goes on about how Queeney’s mom married a PAPIST, and indeed after Hester Thrale’s first husband died, she married an Italian Catholic music master named Piozzi, to the horror of Queeney and everyone else in England. (They were so horrified that she’s still usually referred to as Hester Thrale even though actually she should probably be called Hester Piozzi, since that’s the name she published under and the husband she actually loved.)

Both Queeney and the subplot about the United Irishmen are good examples of Patrick O’Brian’s total mastery of his period, as of course is literally everything he says about the rigging. Just casually tosses in Hester Thrale Piozzi’s daughter! A bit of tragic Irish backstory just for fun! Sometimes I do yearn for him to slow down just a bit and explain, but of course that would make the story far less immersive. We are perhaps getting a small taste of the landlubber’s experience of finding oneself at sea and having no idea what the heck is going on.

And so we sail onward. For now the plan is to bop back and forth between Hornblower and Aubrey-Maturin, but over time one series may win out. We shall see!

Date: 2026-01-30 01:53 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
I do love these books, but it's been a while! Is Jack in fact bad at math this early in the series? I had forgotten. Apologies for spoiling you, but in fact he becomes good at math later on.

Date: 2026-01-30 01:58 pm (UTC)
wychwood: HMS Surprise: "bring me that horizon" (Fan - horizon)
From: [personal profile] wychwood
I do love O'Brian! He has the stickiest narrative voice, too - if I read a couple in quick succession, my internal narration turns into Maturin for a while.

The naval detail is of course elaborate and accurate, but you definitely can just ignore it and get the gist from context.

Wikipedia suggests what I suspected, which is that "snow" is a corruption of something else ("snauw", which is, as it looks, Dutch! and meant "beak")

That's cool about Queeney! I didn't know her.

Date: 2026-01-30 09:55 pm (UTC)
oracne: turtle (Default)
From: [personal profile] oracne
It is SO FUN when that happens.

Date: 2026-01-30 02:01 pm (UTC)
qian: Tiny pink head of a Katamari character (Default)
From: [personal profile] qian
I am excited to read your future posts about this series! I actually got obsessively into the Aubrey-Maturin books as a teenager, which would also have been in the 00s, so was amused by your preface -- all the nautical stuff baffled me but I learned to sail right over it so I could enjoy all the rest. Lovely to know Queeney was a real person -- I had no idea. I also only learnt about the United Irishmen, like, last year, when I read a book about the Easter Rising (rather later than the United Irishmen obv but the book dealt to some degree with the history of Irish rebellions), but yeah, they were very definitely a revolutionary society by the end.

Date: 2026-01-30 10:35 pm (UTC)
qian: Tiny pink head of a Katamari character (Default)
From: [personal profile] qian
Yeah, I was 17 and the books wouldn't have worked for me if I'd encountered them much younger than that. I'm sure O'Brian put other real people in but my knowledge of early 19th century British history was not robust enough for me to recognise them ...

Date: 2026-01-30 02:27 pm (UTC)
sartorias: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sartorias
Yay! The next book is the most Jane Austen influenced, but it's the third where I believe he reached transcendance.

Date: 2026-01-30 10:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nineveh_uk
+1 I enjoy the first two books a lot, but things really hit another level in the third and keep going from there. Hmm, maybe I should reread.

Date: 2026-01-30 03:16 pm (UTC)
littlerhymes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] littlerhymes
I read a thread on Reddit where even fans were like "just let the technical details wash over you" so perhaps we will never learn one sail from the other! "Big boat," we say helpfully as O'Brian shakes his head.

Last time in my youth I think dropped off around book 4 or 5 - I just kind of lost interest. We will see how far we get this time!

Date: 2026-01-31 04:09 am (UTC)
littlerhymes: (Default)
From: [personal profile] littlerhymes
Ok PAUSE I went back and checked my reading spreadsheet - I got up to book SEVEN!!! Omg.

Date: 2026-01-30 04:08 pm (UTC)
asakiyume: (birds to watch over you)
From: [personal profile] asakiyume
I guess it makes sense that an author named O'Brian is interested in having Irish independence in his sea chronicle!

And I love how the metaphor of being at sea with something is concretized by this literally being a book about being at sea.

Date: 2026-01-30 06:23 pm (UTC)
asakiyume: (birds to watch over you)
From: [personal profile] asakiyume
Ahaha, shows you what I know! But yeah, maybe so!

Date: 2026-01-31 09:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tamaranth
I do not recommend reading 'Patrick O'Brian: A Life Revealed' -- at least not until you have either fallen for the Aubrey/Maturin series or given up on them.

I am in the former camp, due to making a deal with my father when I was about 14: I'd read 'Master and Commander' if he'd read 'Nine Princes in Amber'. We were both pleased! I do love the books and intend to reread ... some day.

Date: 2026-01-30 04:26 pm (UTC)
sanguinity: (ships squarerigging)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
So, er, my experience of reading the Aubreyad back in the 1990s was that the first book was unforgivably ponderous because O'Brian kept stopping to explain all this stuff that we all already knew. (C'mon, get with the program! We know this! There's a sail diagram right inside the back cover for people who don't!!!) Happily though, now that he explained it all once in Book 1, once you get on to Book 2 he trusts us to remember it all and never stops to explain anything ever again.

When I re-read the book a couple of years ago, my revised opinion was that the whole bit with explaining the rigging was high comedy and thigh-slappingly funny. Unfortunately, it's not the sort of thing you can actually share with the person reading in bed with you and have them think it's funny, too...
Edited (had to add the relevant icon!!) Date: 2026-01-30 04:28 pm (UTC)

Date: 2026-01-30 07:47 pm (UTC)
sanguinity: (ships balcuthsa at sea)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
I grew up around boats and inhaled Age of Sail fiction as a child, and they all had sail diagrams inside the cover. (I am joking only a little bit when I pick up a book and say, "Ooh, there's a sail diagram inside the cover, that's how you know it's going to be good!") But as soon as you know the names of the three masts and the sail sequence from bottom to top, you know almost all of the sail names. Which is why that rigging conversation in Master and Commander is so hilarious: if you're a boat nerd, that convo was very straightforward, but boat nerds are horrible for launching deep into the the weeds of their special interest and immediately losing the landlubbers who don't know and (shockingly!!) don't WANT to know. (She says only a little ironically, already have written an absurd amount of footnotes for this comment.)

But if anything was a primer for me, it was the annotated edition of Captains Courageous that I had as a kid. It won't help with rigging (the We're Here is a sloop instead of a ship*), but it absolutely taught me the word "gunwale" and how to say it: gunnel. ("A Children's Classic Book", copyright 1969 Classic Press and 1979 Ottenheimer Publishers. The illustrations, btw, are fire.)

THAT SAID. There IS a primer for the Aubreyad, and it's called A Sea of Words, and it's a glossary for all the specialized vocabulary of the Aubreyad. With diagrams and sometimes discussion. It is often enthusiastically recommended to people who find themselves lost with all the maritime stuff. (I was, as mentioned before, not lost with the maritime stuff, but found it an enjoyable read just for nerdiness reasons. I don't own a copy, put probably should.)

There's also a tie-in recipe book for the food in the Aubreyad: Lobscouse and Spotted Dog.

--

*Sloop vs. Ship: There are two basic kinds of sail layouts.

1. Fore-and-aft rigging, in which the sails are mostly triangles and their neutral position is in line with the centerline of the boat (i.e., the sails run along a line drawn between the fore and aft). If you imagine the America's Cup sailboat races or sailing pleasure yachts, you're probably imagining a fore-and-aft rigged boat. A sloop** is one of the many kinds of fore-and-aft rigged boats. Fore-and-aft rigged boats tend to be smaller than ships***, because as the boat gets bigger, those tall triangular sails get very tall and very heavy, and eventually too heavy for humans to manage.

2. Square rigging, in which the sails are mostly rectangles (actually trapezoids), and their neutral position is at right angles to the ship's centerline (i.e., set square to the keel). Usually there's a bunch of these going up the mast, one above another. "Ship-rigged" is another name for square-rigged -- and the reasons ships (bigger than boats) use square rigging is because as the ship gets bigger you can just add more humans-can-manage-it-sized sails above the current ones. Your classic pirate ship is square-rigged.

This is complicated a bit by the existence of hybrid rigs, and of course square-rigged ships have a whole set of staysails that are really fore-and-aft sails... But that's the basic breakdown.

**That is, a fishing sloop is fore-and-aft rigged. In Hornblower and the Hotspur you'll learn that the Hotspur is a sloop -- but she's a Royal Navy sloop, and naval sloops were ship-rigged, i.e. square sails.

***Boats smaller than ships: The usual rule I hear is that ships are big enough to carry boats. Which doesn't clarify anything, because there are plenty of boats that carry dinghies, which are also a kind of boat, just at the smallest end of the range. But while non-maritime people call everything that floats a boat, maritime people -- especially maritime people aboard ships! -- will get very shirty if you call their ship a boat. Please use this knowledge wisely, either to be polite or to yank someone's chain, your choice.
Edited (once again, too excited talking about boats to remember to use an appropriate icon!) Date: 2026-01-30 07:48 pm (UTC)

Date: 2026-01-31 07:33 am (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
<3 <3 I love this comment.

Date: 2026-01-30 05:02 pm (UTC)
troisoiseaux: (Default)
From: [personal profile] troisoiseaux
Yay!!! Stephen Maturin is one of my top 10 favorite characters of all time, and fairly high on the list— I love Jack, too, of course, but Stephen might as well have been cooked up in a lab to appeal to me personally.

I confess I have always approached this series' technical details in the same way as, like, sci-fi technobabble, which is to say vaguely nodded and moved on. On the other hand, I once met someone who was reading the series by plotting out the ship's course on a map as he went...

Date: 2026-01-30 06:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] msilverstar
I do love those books. When I went back and re-read Hornblower, I decided he was a Modern hero, brooding and awkward, always on the spot for historical events. Where Jack and Stephen were more Post-Modern, even Existential, usually somewhere else during the great battles, doing the best they could. And notably fewer romantic tropes. Very much Jane Austen in the Navy.

Also, if you read Naomi Novick's Temaire series, it will seem startlingly familiar.

Date: 2026-01-30 09:57 pm (UTC)
oracne: turtle (Default)
From: [personal profile] oracne
I love this framing so much.

Date: 2026-01-30 11:04 pm (UTC)
msilverstar: (Default)
From: [personal profile] msilverstar
Thank you, I've thought this for a long time but never quite formulated it. Did you POB translated Simone de Beauvoir? Fascinating.

Date: 2026-01-31 02:11 pm (UTC)
oracne: turtle (Default)
From: [personal profile] oracne
I did not know that! Wow!

Date: 2026-01-30 07:14 pm (UTC)
sholio: (Horseman)
From: [personal profile] sholio
I seem to lack Boats in my icons, but at least this one has a beach ...

I read a bunch of these in the early 2000s and really enjoyed them, although from what I recall I got up to somewhere around 10-12 and petered out from a case of Too Much O'Brian (apparently there are only so many topgallants and brigs that a person can take). However, I did have a really good time for however far I got.

Date: 2026-01-30 09:21 pm (UTC)
lobelia321: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lobelia321
Ooh this gives me hope. As everyone is forever recommending these books to me. And I don't think I ever even made it as far as chapter 3! Despite the goat fucking. Am on my xth rereading of Temeraire books so this may need to be my next challenge.

Date: 2026-01-30 09:54 pm (UTC)
oracne: turtle (Default)
From: [personal profile] oracne
I have the last 2 of the series left to read but I should really go back to the beginning. There is a whole book explaining all the sailing references in this series, SEA OF WORDS.

My high school library had the Hornblower books, so I read them then, some multiple times; my personal copies, originally used, are very yellow and crisp, so I think I would have to re-read in ebook. When that tv adaptation happened, I was like, "No, he isn't hot!" but then I realized, we have no idea, we only get Hornblower's own opinion of himself focusing on his skinny calves, and he does seem to attract women....

Date: 2026-02-03 02:09 pm (UTC)
oracne: turtle (Default)
From: [personal profile] oracne
Yeah, I've decided "The 100 Days" will be my February TBR challenge book.

Date: 2026-01-31 08:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thisbluespirit
Oh, glad this read worked out better for you! I'm still partway through the series because I stuck on obtaining the next one about 3 years ago, but I was enjoying them a lot. Jack and Stephen are a great pair. (I was wary at first, as I tried Hornblower and sadly bounced off it very hard, although I watched quite a bit of the TV version for Paul McGann and mostly liked that; it seemed to bear little relation to the book I attempted to read). Good luck with the Age of Sailing!

Date: 2026-02-03 02:10 pm (UTC)
oracne: turtle (Default)
From: [personal profile] oracne
And Archie. There is Hot!Archie on tv.

Date: 2026-02-01 02:49 pm (UTC)
skygiants: the aunts from Pushing Daisies reading and sipping wine on a couch (wine and books)
From: [personal profile] skygiants
I made it ten books in twenty years ago and everything in my life seems to be directing me towards giving it another try in the not too distant future .... We'll See.

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