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Just about the only good thing about Francis O’Gorman’s Forgetfulness: Making the Modern Culture of Amnesia is that it reminded me of Svend Brinkmann’s Stand Firm: Resisting the Self-Improvement Craze, which I then reread with much pleasure and profit. I even highlighted a quote from Brinkmann that I think sums up what O’Gorman wanted to say in his own book: “The accelerating culture is at one and the same time preoccupied by the moment and the future, but it is definitely not particularly bothered about the past.”

Unfortunately O’Gorman never does say it as clearly or succinctly as that. He is often irritatingly non-specific, particularly when he’s being nostalgic. He thinks we ought to have more respect for the past, and eventually it emerges that what he means is that we ought to look at the past as a potential source of value and inspiration - as the ancient Greeks and Romans looked at Homeric epic, evidently, which may well be true but I find it hard to trust O’Gorman - rather than seeing the past as a cesspool of pure misery and approaching historical analysis as “a search for what are classified as another person’s hidden assumptions that are not ethically acceptable.”

I ought to be an easy sell on this argument: I quit grad school in part because I found this sort of analysis so annoying. If you’ve already decided what you’re going to find once you’ve unpacked all your sources (moral depravity and dehumanizing assumptions usually), why bother spending all that time analyzing it?

And I still can’t believe that so many extremely smart people can spend so much of their time dissecting the flaws in historical reform movements - spoiler alert: they always seem to reify the status quo somehow - without ever stopping to think “Gosh, do you think my reform-minded work might inadvertently reify the status quo too?”

But O’Gorman is remarkably coy about what valuable lessons he thinks we ought to learn from the past. Brinkmann wrote a whole book about valuable lessons we could learn from the ancient Stoics; surely O’Gorman ought to be able to pony up with at least one insight. But no, it’s all unmoored theorizing about the Value of the Past, the sort of word fog that slips out of your head almost as soon as you read it. Truly an aptly named book.

Date: 2017-06-09 12:42 am (UTC)
brigdh: (Default)
From: [personal profile] brigdh
Ugh, this sounds like a very annoying book. Unspecified "lessons of the past" are one of the things that annoys me the most.

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Date: 2017-06-09 05:44 pm (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
I ought to be an easy sell on this argument: I quit grad school in part because I found this sort of analysis so annoying. If you’ve already decided what you’re going to find once you’ve unpacked all your sources (moral depravity and dehumanizing assumptions usually), why bother spending all that time analyzing it?

Haha, wow that sounds familiar. Oh, grad school.

That Brinkmann book sounds neat.

Date: 2017-06-09 11:20 pm (UTC)
asakiyume: (nevermore)
From: [personal profile] asakiyume
“Gosh, do you think my reform-minded work might inadvertently reify the status quo too?”

Riiiiight? Why **don't** people ask this? It reminds me of Flatland: when the two-dimensional protagonist is lifted up into three dimensions and can see that yes, there are actually three dimensions and how different the world is from what he experienced, he says, "Wow! And I suppose there could be four, five, six, who knows how many dimensions," to which the three-dimensional being says, "ooooooh no. Just three." LOL.

Re: here from network

Date: 2017-06-10 12:37 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
SERIOUSLY, and grad school really encourages skimming, too -- I remember seeing it suggested as a study aide, "just skim a book or chapter for what is relevant to your paper/thesis". And of course the different schools of interpretation encourage that kind of pigeonholing -- the structuralist analysis, the Derridean (sp) analysis, the post-Marxist analysis, whatever. Of course all those approaches can be illuminating, but idk, it always seemed like academics got forced into little 4X4 pockets of territory and had to defend them like guard dogs. Although of course probably that was also the result of market pressure on universities, too.

tl;dr Grad school IRONICALLY left me with a deep and abiding mistrust of theory.

Date: 2017-06-10 12:39 am (UTC)
kore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kore
(Flatland! Such a great book.)

Date: 2017-06-10 11:34 am (UTC)
asakiyume: (definitely definitely)
From: [personal profile] asakiyume
I agree! Totally cool thought experiment and went places I hadn't expected.

Date: 2017-06-10 11:43 am (UTC)
asakiyume: (miroku)
From: [personal profile] asakiyume
It often feels to me in whatever domain we're operating (so, not just academia but oh, say, Twitter!) that people are more interested in making pronouncements, specifically judgments (this is Bad; this is Good; this person is Wrong; this person is a Victim etc.) than they are in listening to what other people have to say. On the Internet at least--but I do think this applies to academia as well--having a shiny opinion or judgment is what seems to be most likely to earn you attention.

Sometimes if you allow yourself the luxury of not having an opinion, then it's just *interesting* to see the times and situations other people operated in. Like you say, reformers of the past were dealing with lots of pressures, and those were interesting! Some feel so familiar; others are strange . . . it's worth just experiencing those through their written record. (I guess saying "it's worth..." is making a judgment too. . .)

Date: 2017-06-10 12:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] asakiyume
No wonder we've become such a polarized country.

WORD.

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