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osprey_archer ([personal profile] osprey_archer) wrote2017-05-29 09:14 pm

Caldecott Monday: The Polar Express

Caldecott Monday! The Polar Express! We owned this book when I was a child, although it was only one of piles and piles of Christmas-themed picture books and not as bright or redolently red and green as some of the others, so I only read it occasionally.

I did quite like it, though - especially the description of the food on the train, "candies with nougat centers as white as snow" and "hot cocoa as thick and rich as melted chocolate bars." Gosh. That makes me want a cup of cocoa right now, never mind it's really too hot for it. In fact the whole train ride, the train slicing ghost-like through the dark woods at night, ever northward toward a city rimmed in lights...

As a child I also loved the bit about the bell that only rings as long as you believe in Santa - so magical - but I feel a bit more jaundiced about it now - the entire cultural obsession with teaching children to believe in Santa, and mourning it as a tragic end of innocence when they cease to believe, as inevitably they must? Is it kind of like getting a kid a pet so they will learn an Important Lesson about Death when it dies? Except in order to teach an Important Lesson about Disillusionment instead, and possibly an Important Lesson about Being Gullible if they keep believing long after the other children.

Possibly I'm just a curmudgeon.

I have never seen the movie version of this book. Should I remedy this? Or is the train ride north far less mystically beautiful in the movie than in my head?
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[personal profile] sovay 2017-05-30 07:25 am (UTC)(link)
I have never seen the movie version of this book. Should I remedy this? Or is the train ride north far less mystically beautiful in the movie than in my head?

I believe the animated version is considered to be a landmark in uncanny valley creepiness, so I think you're all right skipping it.
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[personal profile] gaudior 2017-05-30 10:53 am (UTC)(link)
I feel like people want children to believe in Santa Claus very much out of their own nostalgia for how they imagine childhood to have been. It's not actually what childhood is like, because being a kid is significantly more confusing and overwhelming than that (there is so fucking much to understand, and just because children haven't yet made sense of things like death and sex and etiquette doesn't mean they're not trying). It seems like a mean trick to play on someone-- you're spending all your time and energy trying to make sense of this huge complex world, and we're going to throw off all your calculations with bad data? For fuck's sake.

The fact that kids manage it as well as they do is actually pretty impressive.

(Also, have I formally said hi yet? I friended you because you're friends with [personal profile] sovay, but I've been admiring your fanfic for a long time! Hope that this is okay?)
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[personal profile] missroserose 2017-05-30 01:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I always feel mildly left out of the "did you believe in Santa" conversations, because my parents approached it much the same way they did religion - they explained to me that Santa was a representation of the spirit of Christmas, but that a lot of my peers would probably believe in him as a physical person, and it was okay if I did too. I don't think I ever did, but we had fun pretending at times. Honestly, I'm kind of grateful they didn't try to fool me into it - even as a kid, I was a pretty strong critical thinker, and the holes in the story bothered me even though I knew it wasn't real. How could so many other kids believe in something so clearly unrealistic? But as we well know, people don't tend to be rational when it comes to belief...

Considering it further (since, yes, I also read this book multiple times as a kid), the "bell that only rings if you believe in Santa" bit never bothered me, because I read it as an allegory - even as he grows older, the narrator honours Christmas in his heart and tries to keep it all the year (as it were). I wonder if this isn't the root of the collective adult obsession with believing-in-Santa-Claus stories; it's not that we feel we should believe in Santa per se, but what he represents; maintaining that sense of joy and wonder and benevolence and kindness even when adult responsibilities and disillusionments get in the way. It's harder than it sounds.

I saw the movie and personally loved it, although it was many years ago. I did hear a lot of people were creeped out by the animation, though, so it seems to have been a matter of personal taste. I do have one of the collectible oversized cocoa mug/saucer sets that they sold alongside it; I'm not really into collectibles, but my mother is, and invariably some of them spill over onto me when she runs out of room. (I'm holding out for her nearly-complete Spode Green Garland china set, haha.)
Edited 2017-05-30 13:52 (UTC)
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[personal profile] missroserose 2017-05-31 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I think you're right about the humiliation aspect. I'm grateful to my parents for sparing me that, at least.

It totally is a perfect holiday mug! And I use it far too rarely - I think I've pulled it out maybe twice in the past eight years. (In fairness, four of those years were living in the desert, where it only rarely gets hot enough to justify fires and hot cocoa.) Like I said, collectibles aren't really my thing...but maybe I should make an effort.
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2017-05-30 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually have never seen the book, though I've seen pictures from it, or the film.

Re: Santa Claus, he bothered me in every way from as far back as I can remember. I didn't have a way to articulate it--this was clearly the thing everyone said happened, but I'd seen the pictures, and it was a tiny sleigh, and he was supposed to give gifts to EVERYONE from that sleigh? And also, I was an anxious kid who knew about wars, and it was apparent that Santa wasn't bringing stuff to these kids. It definitely seemed like magic the way my stocking filled up over night, though. I didn't know how to reconcile all that stuff. I don't recall finding out all of a sudden; I think I just came to gradually be aware.

As a parent, I imitated my own parents in really playing down Santa, but not to the degree of telling them he didn't exist. Not that I would have put it this way, but I guess what I was aiming to do was make it clear it was a sort of tale, but one we all decided to go along with, sort of a legend-of-our-people type thing.
Edited 2017-05-30 19:18 (UTC)
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[personal profile] ladyherenya 2017-06-03 12:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd heard of the movie but didn't know it was also a book.

I've been interested in the believing in Santa conversation, because my parents never did the whole Santa thing with me. I do remember a time when I had concluded that Santa couldn't come to our house because we didn't have a chimney, as my friend's house did, but that didn't last long. And once I properly grasped that Santa wasn't real, I never felt like I was missing out. Christmas and getting presents were still exciting.
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[personal profile] silverusagi 2017-06-10 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
I never really liked the movie. It's like... nothing happens. But that's what happens when you turn a picture book into a 90 minute film, IMO.