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osprey_archer ([personal profile] osprey_archer) wrote2022-09-23 06:55 am

F/F Friday: Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe

Years ago my friend Rachel and I watched the delightful movie Fried Green Tomatoes, and I vowed to read the book that it was based on, Fannie Flagg’s Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe. Finally I’ve fulfilled that vow, and I’m happy to say that the book was worth the wait!

The story spans most of twentieth century, starting in the 1910s when young Idgie Threadgoode declares on the eve of her sister’s wedding that she’ll never wear a dress again (and attends the wedding in a cute little suit), and ending in the 1980s (when the book was written), when Idgie’s sister-in-law Ninnie Threadgoode reminisces about the old days that Whistle Stop Cafe to Evelyn Couch, a miserable housewife whose unexpected friendship with Ninnie gives her the strength to change her unhappy life.

It also spans much of the country, as the characters include railway men, men-about-town, and tramps on the road during the Great Depression. But the action always circles back to Whistle Stop, a town that sprang up to serve the railway lines and died as the train lines died after World War II.

And the narrative style is just as lively and wide-ranging, dancing back and forth across the time span of the story, switching easily from regular narration to reminiscence to newspaper clippings. I particularly enjoyed the amateur Whistle Stop newsheet, completed by Dot Weems and including a lot of blog-style updates on her life, not least the doings of her beloved but somewhat feckless husband.

Unexpectedly, Evelyn’s story was my second favorite part of the book: I loved her slow shift from lethargic depression to an overpowering rage at the world that treats women so shabbily, leading first to the invention of an imaginary superheroine alter ego Towanda and then to Evelyn’s own emancipation, in becoming a Mary Kaye saleswoman so successful that she wins herself a pink Cadillac, in which of course she goes to visit her beloved Whistle Stop. (Her journey to empowerment also includes a trip to weight-loss camp, a peak 80s moment that is my least favorite part of the book, but it’s fairly short.)

My favorite part of the book was of course Ruth and Idgie’s love affair, which begins in the 1920s when Ruth comes to stay with the Threadgoode family while she teaches at the local Sunday school. “Idgie has a little crush,” mother Threadgoode tells all the Threadgoode children, but Idgie’s “little crush” is so massive that it’s visible from space, and all the other kids have to flee the breakfast table to have a good laugh after they see Idgie attempting to have table manners to impress Ruth.

Ruth loves Idgie too, but she’s engaged, and she has to provide a home for her sick mother, so she goes back and marries the man… But he’s an abusive asshole, and as soon as Ruth’s mother dies Ruth sends a note to Idgie, consisting only of a passage from the Book of Ruth, the bit about “whither thou goest I will go.” Idgie and her brothers (accompanied by Big George, the Black man who will later make the barbecue at the Whistle Stop Cafe) zoom right on over to pick Ruth up, carrying out her trunk right in front of her furious but helpless husband Frank.

(Frank later disappears in suspicious circumstances. His death is never pinned on anybody.)

The Threadgoodes are so delighted to have Ruth back that they come running out of the house to greet her - right after admonishing each other that they mustn’t be too enthusiastic or they might scare the poor girl away! And when it turns out Ruth is pregnant, the Threadgoode clan gives Idgie the money to start the Whistle Stop Cafe, as she has a family to provide for now. Ruth and Idgie’s Whistle Stop Cafe becomes a fixture of the town, remembered fondly by Ninnie Threadgoode and referred to often in Dot Weems’ newsletter.

This is a fascinating picture of a community that is so totally accepting of Ruth and Idgie that accepting almost feels like the wrong word: it implies that there might be an alternative state of non-acceptance, which no one in the town of Whistle Stop appears to even consider feeling with regard to Ruth & Idgie’s romance. (In contrast, many locals definitely feel unaccepting of Ruth and Idgie’s decision to sell food from their cafe to the local Black population. Black customers have to take their food for carryout, and they get it at the back door, and the local Klan still protests.)

Is the town’s attitude toward Ruth and Idgie historically accurate for a small southern town in the mid-twentieth-century? I have no idea. Whatever else it may be, it certainly is adorable.
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[personal profile] philomytha 2022-09-23 11:03 am (UTC)(link)
I had osmosed something totally different about this book, probably because my mother told me I would like it and normally my mother and I have 100% opposite taste in books. Now I'm going to have to read it because that sounds tremendous fun.
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[personal profile] troisoiseaux 2022-09-23 11:23 am (UTC)(link)
And when it turns out Ruth is pregnant, the Threadgoode clan gives Idgie the money to start the Whistle Stop Cafe, as she has a family to provide for now.

Ohhh, this part got me. TToTT
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[personal profile] missroserose 2022-09-23 01:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I remember reading this book aloud to my first girlfriend in high school, and when I read this part, she said with evident pleasure, "Ah, so she got the 'you've knocked up your girlfriend and you've got to take responsibility for your family now' speech."

In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have been surprised when she came out as trans a few years later XD
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[personal profile] regshoe 2022-09-23 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I liked some parts of this book better than others (and the implied cannibalism was a bit of a surprise), but I loved how wide-ranging a story it was, and I definitely loved Ruth and Idgie and how casually their community accepts them.
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[personal profile] kore 2022-09-23 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
That HORRIFIED so many people when the movie came out, lol.
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[personal profile] superborb 2022-09-26 08:14 pm (UTC)(link)
OH That suddenly connected the dots for me, as I apparently only heard about cannibalism in conjunction with the movie!
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[personal profile] sovay 2022-09-23 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
(Frank later disappears in suspicious circumstances. His death is never pinned on anybody.)

"Goodbye, Earl!"

Is the town’s attitude toward Ruth and Idgie historically accurate for a small southern town in the mid-twentieth-century?

I haven't read the novel since seventh grade, but the fact that it foregrounds racism suggests that it's not trying to paint the town as an anachronistic utopia so much as a small community that has decided to make an exception, which does not strike me as historically impossible, especially if Idgie has always done the socially, normatively masculine thing: she fits a recognizable category.
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[personal profile] sovay 2022-09-23 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, it almost certainly helps that Idgie has always taken on a generally masculine social role: she is clearly The Man in the relationship and therefore the whole thing fits easily into the regular pattern.

Jen Manion's Female Husbands (2021) would be relevant here if my copy weren't in storage. Highly recommended, though.

Watsonianly, it also strikes me as reasonable for the town to accept her family-building with Ruth because if the town had not been going to accept Idgie, she would have struck out on her own a long time ago.
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[personal profile] kore 2022-09-23 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, and then some people gotta go and be all pithy!

But yes, this. Idgie is more Us than Them, really. They are okay with expanding their definition of Us a little bit.
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[personal profile] rachelmanija 2022-09-23 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I JUST NOW realized that Fried Green Tomatoes and Steel Magnolias are two different works.
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[personal profile] sovay 2022-09-23 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm fairly sure I didn't know that either until I actually saw both movies.

I meant to ask: how is the film as a version of the book? I've only read the book.
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[personal profile] sovay 2022-09-24 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
And I actually preferred the movie ending. The book sort of trails away at the end and the movie goes out on a stronger note.

Oh, cool. In terms of plotting or the way it's played or what?
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[personal profile] rachelmanija 2022-09-24 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
Hilariously, I had heard that the movie didn't have lesbians, so when I saw Steel Magnolias I spent some time vaguely wondering who they'd been.
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[personal profile] asakiyume 2022-09-23 08:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I missed an opportunity to read this book; I'll have to go back to it!

What is Idgie short for? And is the name sort of like "edgy" or sort of like "iggy"?
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[personal profile] sovay 2022-09-23 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure the book ever explains what Idgie is short for, actually! Or if it does, I've forgotten.

It's short for Imogene, which makes sense to me as a compression: "Imgie" is a lot harder to say.
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[personal profile] kore 2022-09-23 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I love that because it's not "feminine" but it's also not, say, Gene -- I would expect someone with that name to be called Jenny or Jeanie. (I always imagined it as "IMM-gee," due to my pronunciation of Imogene.)
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[personal profile] kore 2022-09-23 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
That book/movie was an Awakening for so many bb queers I knew, aww.

I think the acceptance is historically true in a sense -- it happened with someone I knew a while ago in a small town in Maine. Her father's cousin raised her and lived with another woman for about twenty years and they weren't really out but they weren't closeted, either, and people accepted it. It helped that her family was white, fairly well-off, and had lived in the town for about thirty thousand years. If you don't rock the boat and start demanding stuff like social equality (like, with the local Black population eating in your restaurant!) small towns like that can be very protective. People like to see that environment as either idyllic OR prejudiced and horrifying, and the truth is, like most things, it's an AND situation. People in small towns can be accepting of people they think are, well, acceptable, on their terms, AND they can be horrifying to outsiders. (Insert Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery" HERE. It's amazing how rarely anti-Semitism gets brought up when people talk about that story, but anyway.)
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[personal profile] sovay 2022-09-23 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
(Insert Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery" HERE. It's amazing how rarely anti-Semitism gets brought up when people talk about that story, but anyway.)

Oh, please do!
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[personal profile] kore 2022-09-23 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh man I think it would be too heavy for comments here. I may try to write up a post about it though!